The Caveman Chronicles

[Jim24]

Rubber bush #14 is barely a rubber bush at all and the parts diagram doesn’t make it look clear at all which is worse for a newbie.

However, a quick Google of ‘vw t4 lower engine mount’ instantly brings up a plethora of links to the exact parts to choose from within seconds of starting to type and not 37 pages of scrolling up and down a shitty 7crap diagram.

By the way, did you chose that particular diagram because it’s relevant to my van specifically? Because it probably isn’t relevant to yours being a totally different gearbox.


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The Parts Diagrams I'm currently using are easy to navigate on my laptop, now that I've got used to the layout. Quick too.

That gearbox diagram is what I thought my van is - 1999 2.4D 1200?

I believe the gearbox is coded DQL (as per the diagram), so maybe I'm wrong on this. I'll get under the van when the snow has cleared.



The only relevant PR Code provided is: OZN, which I believe means the Transmission Ratio is High Geared?

[TommyP]

The Parts Diagrams I'm currently using are easy to navigate on my laptop, now that I've got used to the layout. Quick too.

That gearbox diagram is what I thought my van is - 1999 2.4D 1200?

I believe the gearbox is coded DQL (as per the diagram), so maybe I'm wrong on this. I'll get under the van when the snow has cleared.



The only relevant PR Code provided is: OZN, which I believe means the Transmission Ratio is High Geared?

I rest my case your honor……

DQL is a typical 2.4d 02b code. This is PRECISELY my point. They’re not easy to use at all, they’re a fucking waste of time. What you’re actually looking at, despite whatever the fuck it’s telling you is an 02G gearbox and here just a couple reasons I know this from a 1.37 second look at the diagram:

1, It’s an 02G
2, The casing is totally different
3, There’s no end cap to 5th gear
4, It’s an 02G
5, There’s a half shaft and not that retarded trumpet that the 02b has.
6, The gearbox/upper mount is totally different
7, There’s nowhere to fit your external slave cylinder as the 02G doesn’t have one
8, It’s an 02G
9, The gear linkage mount to the bell housing is totally different
10, There’s an additional bellhousing to mount support bracket that only the 02G has (with the exception of the thin pathetic excuse for one that the EWB/DUJ 02b’s have that’s made from recycled McDonald’s straws.
11, It’s an 02G

Yours isn’t high geared and if memory serves then your DUJ is doing 66mph@3000rpm in 5th. My van was built with a DUJ, good riddance. I was thrilled when it blew up. I took videos of the time that convey as much. The shortest ratio 02G is higher geared than the tallest ratio 02B.

So, I’d argue that these parts shitstorms are not easy to use and a load of counterproductive bollocks. I find them to be a pain in the arse and I know what I’m looking at so how about those with less knowledge? They’re unintentionally thinking they’re looking at the right thing and that’s often not the case.

Imagine if you’d have ordered a mount for yours from there or any other number of parts listed? They’d be wrong as non of them are shared (with the exception of the lower torque mount ironically) so you’d be on a high road to nowhere.

My honest advice: take a look at the part you need on your van then Google it and see if it looks right. I’ve not often gone wrong doing it this way. AUTODOC is also brilliant as they offer OEM numbers after a simple keyword search and selecting the item that looks right then you can Google it to see if it’s available elsewhere or use the OEM number on eBay. I only do this if I need parts quickly or my factors are struggling to find a number as AUTODOC are almost always the cheapest.

I liken these diagrams to that of a teenager mindlessly staring into their phone at TikTok for hours on end. Time wasted and nothing gained.


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[Activ8]

You're being a little tough on Jim (a tough educated single 68 year old ex-Ford owning vegan Northerner with a penchant for French walnuts) but with a very very high desire to learn. He's unlike your goodself, unnaturally talented, who would nip outside between loading an XBOX game to change the clutch with one hand and without spilling a drop of Aldi's finest malt in the other. Two ends of the owner spectrum.

It's Jim's only transport other than his bus pass and a garage full of pre war single strokers (?) and doesn't have a hoard of spares or local sources sitting on T4 mountains of spares , that at the drop of a vape would sort a short circuit in your processes to infill a rebuild problem or timing issue.

[Benf]

You're being a little tough on Jim (a tough educated single 68 year old ex-Ford owning vegan Northerner with a penchant for French walnuts) but with a very very high desire to learn. He's unlike your goodself, unnaturally talented, who would nip outside between loading an XBOX game to change the clutch with one hand and without spilling a drop of Aldi's finest malt in the other. Two ends of the owner spectrum.

It's Jim's only transport other than his bus pass and a garage full of pre war single strokers (?) and doesn't have a hoard of spares or local sources sitting on T4 mountains of spares , that at the drop of a vape would sort a short circuit in your processes to infill a rebuild problem or timing issue.

Haha.....love it

[Jim24]

I rest my case your honor……

DQL is a typical 2.4d 02b code. This is PRECISELY my point. They’re not easy to use at all, they’re a fucking waste of time. What you’re actually looking at, despite whatever the fuck it’s telling you is an 02G gearbox and here just a couple reasons I know this from a 1.37 second look at the diagram:

1, It’s an 02G
2, The casing is totally different
3, There’s no end cap to 5th gear
4, It’s an 02G
5, There’s a half shaft and not that retarded trumpet that the 02b has.
6, The gearbox/upper mount is totally different
7, There’s nowhere to fit your external slave cylinder as the 02G doesn’t have one
8, It’s an 02G
9, The gear linkage mount to the bell housing is totally different
10, There’s an additional bellhousing to mount support bracket that only the 02G has (with the exception of the thin pathetic excuse for one that the EWB/DUJ 02b’s have that’s made from recycled McDonald’s straws.
11, It’s an 02G

Yours isn’t high geared and if memory serves then your DUJ is doing 66mph@3000rpm in 5th. My van was built with a DUJ, good riddance. I was thrilled when it blew up. I took videos of the time that convey as much. The shortest ratio 02G is higher geared than the tallest ratio 02B.

So, I’d argue that these parts shitstorms are not easy to use and a load of counterproductive bollocks. I find them to be a pain in the arse and I know what I’m looking at so how about those with less knowledge? They’re unintentionally thinking they’re looking at the right thing and that’s often not the case.

Imagine if you’d have ordered a mount for yours from there or any other number of parts listed? They’d be wrong as non of them are shared (with the exception of the lower torque mount ironically) so you’d be on a high road to nowhere.

My honest advice: take a look at the part you need on your van then Google it and see if it looks right. I’ve not often gone wrong doing it this way. AUTODOC is also brilliant as they offer OEM numbers after a simple keyword search and selecting the item that looks right then you can Google it to see if it’s available elsewhere or use the OEM number on eBay. I only do this if I need parts quickly or my factors are struggling to find a number as AUTODOC are almost always the cheapest.

I liken these diagrams to that of a teenager mindlessly staring into their phone at TikTok for hours on end. Time wasted and nothing gained.


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When I looked my PR Codes up, OZN was described as "High Geared", which I assume that option is, for an 02B?

I guess the gearbox diagram is another one of those 'one serves all' generic diagrams, this time based on the O2G? Regarding the mounts - different ones are listed etc depending on the gearbox variant, even on the same diagram, of which there are several even for 1999, so I don't really see an issue.

Incidently, the only explicit mistake on the diagrams that I've come across so far, is the wrong Part No provided for the rubber breather fitting on the 2.4D cambox lid, but I expect there could be others.

Somehow I doubt that many Factors will have personally worked on T4's, and Autodoc and the like will rely heavily on the Parts Diagrams. I recall even Si having to ask Rob to post up some Doka ones when he got into new territory, and it's all new territory for most of us? So why shouldn't I do so too?

As for Autodoc and my recent difficulties, I will only use them reluctantly in future.

The last thing I want to do is to antagonise you and Si, and you two bring more to the Forum than the rest of us combined, so as I said, I won't be posting any more up soon. HM will be delighted!

[TommyP]

When I looked my PR Codes up, OZN was described as "High Geared", which I assume that option is, for an 02B?

I guess the gearbox diagram is another one of those 'one serves all' generic diagrams, this time based on the O2G? Regarding the mounts - different ones are listed etc depending on the gearbox variant, even on the same diagram, of which there are several even for 1999, so I don't really see an issue.

Incidently, the only explicit mistake on the diagrams that I've come across so far, is the wrong Part No provided for the rubber breather fitting on the 2.4D cambox lid, but I expect there could be others.

Somehow I doubt that many Factors will have personally worked on T4's, and Autodoc and the like will rely heavily on the Parts Diagrams. I recall even Si having to ask Rob to post up some Doka ones when he got into new territory, and it's all new territory for most of us? So why shouldn't I do so too?

As for Autodoc and my recent difficulties, I will only use them reluctantly in future.

The last thing I want to do is to antagonise you and Si, and you two bring more to the Forum than the rest of us combined, so as I said, I won't be posting any more up soon. HM will be delighted!

I give up, carry on. I’m out.


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[TommyP]

You're being a little tough on Jim (a tough educated single 68 year old ex-Ford owning vegan Northerner with a penchant for French walnuts) but with a very very high desire to learn. He's unlike your goodself, unnaturally talented, who would nip outside between loading an XBOX game to change the clutch with one hand and without spilling a drop of Aldi's finest malt in the other. Two ends of the owner spectrum.

It's Jim's only transport other than his bus pass and a garage full of pre war single strokers (?) and doesn't have a hoard of spares or local sources sitting on T4 mountains of spares , that at the drop of a vape would sort a short circuit in your processes to infill a rebuild problem or timing issue.

Cut the bollocks.


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[TommyP]

I suppose most of you have come to know this thread as being about this van which is fine but I’m the caveman so it’s probably more about me and my main mode of transport which is my work van that I cover 10’s of thousands of miles in a year.

That being the case this thread is about to end as the van is being sold and in the next day or so the sale will hopefully through.

It’s been a long old journey but I got offered a van too good to be true so I’ve bought it and it’s a T5. A 1.9PD LWB Panel van in a rare colour and it just feels like the right time to do so.

For any of the haters that are even thinking of the word ‘traitor’ I’d just say this, I’ve probably covered (and will continue to do so in one way or another) more miles in reverse in a T4 in a month than you will drive a T4 in total in your lifetime and will I continue to not only own another T4 as a campervan (my very first T4) but I’ll buy, sell work on more T4’s than you’ll ever even think about in your wildest, wettest dreams.

Maybe that comes across as harsh but those of you that know me know I fucking hate the VW scene and the sheep that fill it so they’re best cut off at the knees before being allowed to speak. The above statement isn’t directed at anyone on here really but bare what I’ve said in mind before anyone thinking they might want to take the piss lol.

I will truly miss the fire and brimstone this van emits out the exhaust and the euphoria it provides when leaving T5’s and T6’s for dead and the looks of the owners faces but I think that’s about it. The time to part ways feels right and all being well it’s going to a very close me never of the family so it’ll be very close and maybe even end up mine again one day.


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[Activ8]

All true TP!

There's tears rolling down my cheeks ...
I'll miss the white shit box.

[TommyP]

All true TP!

There's tears rolling down my cheeks ...
I'll miss the white shit box.

I’ll be sure to slacken the sump plug on the T5 so you can continue to have oil left on your drive after I’ve been to see you.


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[Activ8]

The Mrs and the neighbours will be far more relaxed about the new van in the neighbourhood.

[TommyP]

I need correct a previous comment regarding LUK concentric slave cylinders. I said me and another mate had our fail after 2k miles for him and 20k for me. Both almost precisely at the same time and they were both kitted a year earlier.

He told me his has failed again after only doing 2k miles again! This time he used a blueprint one and commented on how well made it looked. Anyways, we decided to investigate further. We’re both running 02G converted vans. So without even the slightest hint of 7upzap, my research and geeking online revealed that the 02B uses a 19mm bore master cylinder and the 02G uses a 15.87mm MC. So what was happening is the master was forcing the slave too far and led to rapid failure of the seal. This also explains why my bite point was high up in the pedal travel and it was quite fierce. It was pretty heavy too.

I changed for the correct master which was a Topran one as I’ve found theirs are perfectly fine and last years and nearly 100k from my own experience. It’s made a big difference and drives much smoother and the clutch is mega light.

Sorry LUK but I’m sure you’ll get over it.


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[Activ8]

I'm positive we discussed master cylinder sizing some years back before you "discovered" today's enlightenment.....

[TommyP]

I'm positive we discussed master cylinder sizing some years back before you "discovered" today's enlightenment.....

I discovered it weeks ago and then ordered 3 of them as I’ve another mate that’s converted to 02G as well.

We may well have discussed it. I imagine I didn’t remember the conversation as you’d have started dribbling on about fluid volumes of the 2 choices or part numbers or some shite that people that actually physically achieve things just don’t need to know or care about.




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[Activ8]

It would of only been in the course of trying to assist you , a complimentary strategy to yours ..... rather than the "lets blindly fumble" forward and fuck something else up one you follow!
Pahahahaha .....