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V&J T4
19th February 2018, 04:36 PM
Thought it was time to start a thread about our van, mainly to keep a record of our ownership and what we do along the way.

I'd wanted a T4 for a few years and started looking for an ex-AA 2.5tdi as I need the towing capacity. After looking at a few vans we decided on non converted van so we could start a fresh and do things how we wanted. Whilst we want a camper for weekends away, it will also be needed to ferry bikes, have space to carry the odd engine and be used as my daily driver.

So we bought the van in the middle of May 2017 and trailered it home so we didn't have to pay a months tax. This left us 10 days before we could tax it so we had time to give it a good clean and start making plans for the conversion to start. But things don't always work out how you want them [emoji53]

I'll let some pics do the talking of the few months of ownership...

Day 1 [emoji16]
http://just-t4s.co.uk/mobile-gallery/854a5fd5fc28dcf2667ac1bbe0d32594.jpg

1000 miles later ☹️

http://just-t4s.co.uk/mobile-gallery/a9d43f7dcb14783137ec93f07f0306b8.jpg

http://just-t4s.co.uk/mobile-gallery/54983f447349d63088417471114da43c.jpg




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Hoopdub
19th February 2018, 05:28 PM
Oh dear...... what happened?

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V&J T4
19th February 2018, 05:32 PM
It turns out that although you may have a big folder of history with a vehicle, it doesn't mean the previous owners haven't bodged the recent timing belt change.

I had driven to work in the morning without problem but in the afternoon it was bugger to start, it started eventually and drove home fine, although felt a little underpowered. 10 mins after getting home it cut out and wouldn't start again.
After a few weeks of figuring out what to do and who to take it too, we finally dragged it to a local HGV diesel specialist who
just happened to be a T4 nutter and had been working on T4s for years.

He checked the timing and it was way out, so he decided to redo the belts and retime and see where we were.
Now, we're not sure if the previous mechanic didn't torque the bottom crank bolt properly or didn't use a new bolt but either way, it did just shy of 5000 miles before the crank pulley nearly fell off. The bolt was only held in by a couple of threads and was easily removed by hand.
Having spent nearly 5000 miles being loose on the crank, the pulley made a bit of mess of the keyway on the crank...

http://just-t4s.co.uk/mobile-gallery/400938d911eb0ecede17f625d4dcfda6.jpg

So the decision was made to pull the engine and rebuild. Until about an hour later when a friend of friend came up with a 100k mile Volvo V70 engine.
Fast forward a new DMF/clutch, engine mounts, water pump, thermostat, inner CVs and all the other bits that could be done with the engine on the floor (plus many many swear words) and we were nearly back on all four wheels...

http://just-t4s.co.uk/mobile-gallery/744aff7e7ef9b1c2abdf08a4fa2ca806.jpg



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t7myp
19th February 2018, 07:25 PM
Thatís gonna be a serious bit of kit now [emoji51]


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S49
19th February 2018, 07:43 PM
Looks a nice van, sorry to hear about the problems you've had. Keep the updates coming as your conversion progresses.

Hoopdub
19th February 2018, 07:49 PM
History, aka bits of paper with stuff printed on it, as good as it sounds full history means nothing in my book. It may be a record of things having been done, but to what standard. I never trust history. But then again i dont trust much at all [emoji23]

V70 is a good way to go. Especially as you can pick them up cheaper than the cost of a days labour at a garage.

Keep the updates coming [emoji108]

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Snowrider
19th February 2018, 08:07 PM
Iím looking forward to this! What bhp are you hoping for?


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mick1070
19th February 2018, 08:08 PM
Gutted for the dramas you have had buddy. On another note I had no idea you could fit a V70 engine in a T4, is this common?

S49
19th February 2018, 08:13 PM
Could be a straight swap. When I worked for a Volvo agent the 740 and 940 diesels were the vdub 5 cylinder. When I went on the course they said if asked don't deny its vdub as its stamped all over the thing.

V&J T4
19th February 2018, 10:30 PM
Thanks everyone [emoji846] It was indeed a bit gutting and not a great start to T4 ownership and yes, we spent most of our conversion budget on getting it back on the road but it's given us a solid base to continue with.

The V70 block was built by VW for Volvo and is all but the same bar a few little differences - the coolant outlet on the core plug is one cylinder over (just needed to extend the pipe to reach it) and some of the thread sizes in the block are different for various things (sensors mainly). But other than that, just swap the ancillaries and loom over and away you go.
When I looked for a T4 engine, I was seeing prices of £1000+ for unknown mileage engines, I got a complete rear ended 100k mile V70 for less than half that. No brainer really!


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V&J T4
19th February 2018, 10:42 PM
Iím looking forward to this! What bhp are you hoping for?


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Well the van is meant to be my sensible daily driver, but considering the V70 lump comes with the V70 injectors there's already a performance gain over the standard 102 injectors, but they really need a remap to suit.
My van was already mapped when I got it (turns out badly to try and cover up the timing issue) and I've already upset a T5 driver, but the black smoke says it definitely needs a remap lol.


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mick1070
19th February 2018, 11:38 PM
Could be a straight swap. When I worked for a Volvo agent the 740 and 940 diesels were the vdub 5 cylinder. When I went on the course they said if asked don't deny its vdub as its stamped all over the thing.

Well you learn something every day, as always many thanks.

mick1070
19th February 2018, 11:41 PM
Thanks everyone [emoji846] It was indeed a bit gutting and not a great start to T4 ownership and yes, we spent most of our conversion budget on getting it back on the road but it's given us a solid base to continue with.

The V70 block was built by VW for Volvo and is all but the same bar a few little differences - the coolant outlet on the core plug is one cylinder over (just needed to extend the pipe to reach it) and some of the thread sizes in the block are different for various things (sensors mainly). But other than that, just swap the ancillaries and loom over and away you go.
When I looked for a T4 engine, I was seeing prices of £1000+ for unknown mileage engines, I got a complete rear ended 100k mile V70 for less than half that. No brainer really!


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Makes complete sense, as you say its a no brainer, S49 explained they are all basically VW made, every day is a school day for me on here.

regcheeseman
20th February 2018, 12:50 AM
Well the van is meant to be my sensible daily driver, but considering the V70 lump comes with the V70 injectors there's already a performance gain over the standard 102 injectors, but they really need a remap to suit.
My van was already mapped when I got it (turns out badly to try and cover up the timing issue) and I've already upset a T5 driver, but the black smoke says it definitely needs a remap lol.


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There's someone on here who may be able to help.

I'm running a V70 turbo on a T4 motor using his maps and it flies - or it did until I killed the clutch. I knew the clutch was dying, doubling the power it had to deal with did it no favours at all.

Nice van btw, when you gonna get it painted? ;)

Activ8
20th February 2018, 01:29 AM
The V70 block was built by VW for Volvo and is all but the same bar a few little differences - the coolant outlet on the core plug is one cylinder over (just needed to extend the pipe to reach it) and some of the thread sizes in the block are different for various things (sensors mainly). But other than that, just swap the ancillaries and loom over and away you go.
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Did you fit the Volvo gearbox and clutch as you had the complete car to play with?

T4Timmy
20th February 2018, 03:59 PM
Looking forward to this thread. I've been thinking of going down the V70 route as my gearbox grinds into third and annoys the hell out of me but I'm not paying the stupid prices asked for T4s boxes!

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S49
20th February 2018, 07:22 PM
Not sure whether the gearbox would be a straight swap, will it have the extension shaft for the right hand shaft?

V&J T4
20th February 2018, 07:32 PM
Did you fit the Volvo gearbox and clutch as you had the complete car to play with?

I was told that the Volvo gearbox would not work in the T4, so kept the VW box and clutch. Just needed to swap the sump as the T4 box won't bolt up to the Volvo sump.
I sold the Volvo gearbox (and leather interior) which basically covered the cost of the engine!
I've still got the turbo which I'm thinking of selling, but it may make its way on to my van yet lol


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Activ8
20th February 2018, 07:47 PM
I was told that the Volvo gearbox would not work in the T4, so kept the VW box and clutch. Just needed to swap the sump as the T4 box won't bolt up to the Volvo sump.
I sold the Volvo gearbox (and leather interior) which basically covered the cost of the engine!
I've still got the turbo which I'm thinking of selling, but it may make its way on to my van yet lol


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V&J T4
20th February 2018, 09:10 PM
We're you able to keep the Volvos larger flywheel and upgrade the clutch?

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I didn't look into using the Volvo flywheel/clutch, I kept the the standard ACV stuff as I'd already bought a new kit.

I don't know if the Volvo flywheel/clutch will work with the VW gearbox in terms of size or if the number of splines match between the VW gearbox shaft and Volvo friction plate. Unfortunately I needed the van back on the road asap, so just had to go with what I knew would work - one of the reasons I kept the VW turbo and didn't fit the V70 turbo.


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V&J T4
4th February 2019, 02:31 PM
Well almost a year since my last update! But not much has changed [emoji23]
A lot of working away from home and 3 house moves in the family has meant the van has been earning it's keep all year, but not without spending my hard earned pennies along the way lol.

The MOT last Oct resulted in new rear calipers, handbrake cables and a new windscreen, which got smashed a few days before the MOT but other than that, a clean bill of health.

Issues arose when replacing the windscreen as the few bubbles of rust that appeared around the sceeen just kept getting bigger and bigger [emoji45] Luckily, it was all surface rust and the metal work wasn't too bad when rubbed back and cleaned up.
Unfortunately I have no pictures of the before, or the work being completed, but the van now has a sparkly new screen and fresh paint all around the screen...
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So this year will hopefully be kit the back out ready for camping and a new turbo etc for more powers [emoji41]

S49
4th February 2019, 07:39 PM
Thanks for the update. Did our screen surround last year then did the roof,pillars and scuttle in grey. Broke the screen getting it out so we had a new one to.

Jumbungla
4th February 2019, 10:54 PM
That looks great! I need to do mine. Mainly because my windscreen is leaking. How much for a new screen and seal?

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S49
4th February 2019, 11:08 PM
I paid 120 fitted trade last april. I'd already got the old one out.

V&J T4
4th February 2019, 11:33 PM
Mine was £160 fitted including a new outer seal thingy.
I had real issues trying to go through the insurance because I wanted them to refit the screen after having the rust sorted! Turns out my screen excess is £100, so for the sake of an extra £60 the bodyshop recommended a local windscreen guy and it was sorted in a couple days.

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