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    Please continue with as many questions as you like folks, that's what the thread is for ......... to help people to achieve a quality conversion, it's always difficult to convert your fist bus and not everything is common knowledge. Reading other members build threads and asking questions is the only way you'll learn how to do specific tasks.

    I don't pretend to know it all ....... but I'll try to explain things as best I can.




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    Hi all,




    In the previous post I spent best part of a day removing all my plastics, and removing my dashboard that actually turned out much easier than I had thought. My van drives just the way it did before I removed my dash. Just don't get pulled over by the law, as I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be too impressed !

    I can't stress enough also, just don't get involved in an accident, as your dashboard is there for your protection.

    OK, so to the next 'phase'.


    Now that I have my dashboard out, there are a few things to remove from it before the cleaning process. Namely the plastic assembly in the center that holds all your switches, radio mounting aperture, ashtray and cigarette lighter fitting. >>







    A couple of months ago some rogue broke into my van and nicked my headunit, in doing so he damaged the mounting points that hold the headunit mounting plate in place. So I got the insurance company to buy me a new one. The new one is on the left. >>






    This shot shows from the inside of the dash and what can only be described as the choke cable on petrol models, on some models it's blanked out. It's located to the right of the steering wheel, directly above the fuse box cover. You will need to unclip this and spray it with the other small bits, like the fuse box cover, handle glove box and glove box cover. >>







    This is what it looks like with everything taken off. Don't forget the vents on top of the dash. >>






    On the interior of the dash you'll find fire resistant dampening material, as it's clipped in with metal fasteners onto plastic posts, best leave that alone, you'll only end up breaking them off to remove it. So I'll just mask that area off, as I don't want to get it wet or covered in spray paint. >>







    As I'll be washing and spray painting the dash, I need to protect this material. So I just masked it off with a sheet of plastic and masking tape. >>







    Masking tape wasn't up to the job as there seems to be some sort of layer of silicon or polish on the plastic. I had better success with packing tape. Now I can get cleaning. >>







    A good quality finish on any job is the correct preparation, so I trimmed any defects I found. >>







    With a variety of different brushes I began the washing process. The best degreaser I found was sugar soap, painters and decorators use it. >>







    After the first thorough wash and scrub with various brushes and scotch cleaning pads, the dash turned a sickly pale grey ! A sure sign of what ever covering VW had put on it was gone for ever. >>







    Viewed from the front ...... not a pretty sight. It even feels different. As sugar soap is crystaline based, this could well be the result of crystals drying. So I washed and re-washed with clean water, only to get the same result. Conclusion, I had degreased my dashboard thoroughly. In my opinion if you don't get this step right, or don't do it thoroughly enough, it won't matter how well you apply the paint ..... it's just won't stick ! resulting in paint peeling or easy scratching of the dash at a later date. >>







    After a very careful inspection, viewed from all angles, I identified scratches and gouges and simply sanded them out. I would apply the paint thickly in those areas as a filler. >>






    I then rubbed it down with methylated spirits. >>







    As I wasn't sure if Methylated Spirits contained a creasy agent in it, I washed and scrubbed down my dash again. Make sure you get into the corners, as this is where the paint will have the tendency to flake or peel further down the line. >>







    I envy people who have garages, but sometimes you have to make do with what you have. So a nice warm sunny day is definitely required. A cordoned off garden spray booth is also a must, as you don't want wind when you're spraying. One of the things I learned early on was, in order for good results when you're spraying, everything must be warm. I even warmed the spray cans in front of a radiator before using them. I left the dashboard in the sun for a while also, as the plastic will warm up. When it was thoroughly dry and warm, it went back to that sickly grey colour. >>







    When I applied my first coat of plasti-kote primer, I sprayed it on thickly 8 - 10 inches away. I knew I would be rubbing it down when it dried, so paint runs aren't a problem it this stage. >>







    Viewed from the front ...... it doesn't look so sickly anymore. >>







    I positioned the dash on a cardboard box so I could spray from all angles, including beneath. Making sure I really got into those corners also. >>







    Close up of offside dash corner. >>







    I wanted to keep the 'skin' porous finish to the dash. Too many thick coats would make the dash a smooth finish. Not the effect I was after. >>







    After three coats of primer and leaving each coat dry before applying the next one, I rubbed the whole thing down thoroughly.
    I didn't want to use sand paper or glass paper as it would of been too harsh. I'd probably end up removing the coats off primer I had just spent the last hour or so spraying on. So a scotch pad was ideal. >>







    Without going totally nuts over it, I rubbed all over right into to crevices using the edge of the scotch pad. >>







    Once all the rubbing down was done, I hoovered the entire dash as it was now covered in a very fine dust. >>







    With my Matt Black Plasti-Kote spray paint can nice and warm. I proceeded to spray fine 'mists' of black paint. Rather than two or three thick coats of paint, I decided I would do six to eight very light coats. This is what it looked like after a few thin coats. >>







    Close inspection of how the paint application is going. >>







    Not leaving any corner untouched. >>







    It's the small details that count. >>







    Spraying in a continuous motion isn't easy if you're not use to it. I've not sprayed anything as large as this before, so I'm learning as I go along. It's obvious if you stay in one area for too long ..... the surface goes shiny ! >>







    I have to admit, I'm liking this Plasti-Kote. And the matt black is making the dash look very nice indeed ........ so far, very pleased with the results. >>







    A few more light coats of spray paint, it's beginning to look patchy ! that's my spraying techniques I'm afraid. As I'm not a professional, I would have to work on that. Just so long as the finished article doesn't look like this, I'll be happy. >>







    Another quality control test, in case I missed anything. Another thing you'll discover when spraying, I don't know whether this is true when using other colours, but it's difficult to see where you've already sprayed ! >>






    Standing further away certainly helps to identify those 'iffy' areas. I'll have to do something about that. I'm currently up to six coats now, so I only have a couple left to remedy that overall finish. >>







    Even after it dried it still didn't look right. >>







    The patches were because I was spraying too close ! ..... standing further back with a faster back and forth motion seemed to be working. >>







    Look how black it is now ! ....... some areas appear to be shiny, that's because they were still wet when I took the picture. >>







    We didn't have a particularly fantastic summer in 2011, but that particular weekend it soared to 30 degrees. So the back of my van was the ideal place for the dash to 'cure'. I'm by no means an expert but it's obvious to me that the paint has to harden. This is the reason that 'weekend modders' get it wrong, and within a few months their dashboards start looking terrible. >>







    I decided I would leave it in the back of the van to 'cure' till the following weekend, when I would reassemble everything. I still had the use of my van on a daily basis as I had reassembled my 'makeshift' dash. >>






    In order to hide my 'makeshift' dash from prying eyes ( namely, the boys in blue ) I covered everything with black fabric on the top of the dash. >>






    Everything was secured using cable ties. >>








    I hope you find this guide informative, as a 'Plasti-Kote' your interior how-to, I can only say It worked for me. As 2 years down the line, it's still as it was back then. There's been a lot of speculation on the longevity of plasti-kote sprayed interiors, I can certainly vouch for it's durability. As for the cost of the whole operation, about a dozen cans @ 7.00 each, so 84.00

    Should the dash become too shabby in the next few years, I'll get it flocked in black, and I'll have a nice base colour to work from.



    I hope I've talked you into doing your dashboard, with summer just round the corner ...... now's your chance






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    Yeah, baby ! ........ new Multivan 151bhp AHY 'BigBlue' ; ) >> http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1023689
    And ......... Lulu, T4 2.5 TDi short nose 126bhp > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=276554
    The T4 Quad Headlight Project > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249064

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    Yes, all joking aside, be careful with the solvents.
    top tip on steering wheel removal.
    Ven vamos a follar los monos

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    Making me want to paint my dash now, curse you Turk. More jobs
    Ven vamos a follar los monos

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfur fox-acre View Post
    Making me want to paint my dash now, curse you Turk. More jobs

    Attachment 3257 .......... sorry about that mate, should keep you out of mischief for a while if anything else ! It's well worth doing by the way, it'll transform the entire van just by spray painting your interior plastics. What I particularly like about using the matt black Plastikote is, I longer see the reflection of the top of my dashboard in my windscreen anymore. And it doesn't cost a fortune to do, for litterly less than a hundred quad you can transform the look of your van.



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    Yeah, baby ! ........ new Multivan 151bhp AHY 'BigBlue' ; ) >> http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1023689
    And ......... Lulu, T4 2.5 TDi short nose 126bhp > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=276554
    The T4 Quad Headlight Project > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249064

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    Again awesome thread!

    I have a question Turk, not really relating to your build as such but this photo get me thinking

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    I can't see any blower ducts in your stripped out dash that go directly to the rectangular windscreen blower vents, I'd never noticed the smaller holes before, Are those smaller holes also vent holes to clear the windscreen? is air just blown out below the dash in an upward direction?

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    Excellent question mate ........ I'll have to double check a few things before answering that with any degree of accuracy

    As far as I know, the two rectangle holes where I removed the louvres are the only one's connected to the heating ducts. The 'breather holes' closer to the windscreen ....... I'll have to check that.
    Can't remember disconnecting anything there, but I have literally hundreds of pictures I took on the day !



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    Yeah, baby ! ........ new Multivan 151bhp AHY 'BigBlue' ; ) >> http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1023689
    And ......... Lulu, T4 2.5 TDi short nose 126bhp > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=276554
    The T4 Quad Headlight Project > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249064

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    Cheers be interesting to see, my brother (posh crafter driver) was commenting on Friday how crap my windows were at demisting, asked me if me leis were blocking the vents, obviously I confidently replied no it's just the two rectangular ones, then I saw the holes and though hmm.Click image for larger version. 

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    Those holes along the front edge of the dash are vents Rich ( sorry if I've got that wrong ).

    I looked through all my photos and unfortunately those were part of the harddrive crash I had a few years back, I lost some 1500 photos ! I did manage to recover a few though. I couldn't find that actual one I wanted but did find the one below. I was in the process of working out the positioning of my gauge pod. If you look closely where the louvres vent holes usually are ( obviously I removed them to paint the dash ), you can see that the dash in that area is double skinned >>




    In fact, looking at the fifth picture down at the beginning of this page, the one where I haven't yet covered the fire retardant foam with plastic sheeting. You can see the rectangular hot air vent. As the louvres are directly above that, they're more effective at demisting your windscreen, and very little warm air will vent out those little holes at the very front of the dashboard. So your brother would be right ........ you may need to remove some 'shrubbery' I'm afraid !




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    Yeah, baby ! ........ new Multivan 151bhp AHY 'BigBlue' ; ) >> http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1023689
    And ......... Lulu, T4 2.5 TDi short nose 126bhp > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=276554
    The T4 Quad Headlight Project > http://www.vwt4forum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=249064

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    Hi Turk,

    Cheers for taking the time to look into that, looks like I'll be moving that lei then, I might hold off on telling my brother he was right though.

    (Ric, Rick, Rich, Ricky and Richie all fine by me, and if your cross with me for some reason Richard tends to get my attention)

    Many thanks


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